and they really wanted to have a great britain cleansed of the impurities and corruptions of great britain. now thomas jefferson wa--and--and i use him to stand in for other eople, but he was so far and away the important figure here--saw this is a--just a terrible loss if the revolution in america just stopped at being another great britain, and he wanted to see a revolution in the sense of creating a new kind of society that was thoroughly democratized, where there was political participation, where there was free speech. he wanted to animate the--the--the public. he--and he very much wanted religious toleration, and he was very interested in scientific speculation. but he had this idea that human beings--and he--we have to say he really meant white men had been shackled down, they'd been burdened by hierarchies: hierarchies in the church, hierarchies at home and the father, hierarchies in politics. and if you could just get rid of those hierarchies, you would release the energy that's just bubbling in there, in each human being. so he challenges washington's administration, and they do